Episode 129: “A Path to Inclusion” with Cyd Zeigler

Cyd Zeigler started OutSports in 1999, gradually shifting focus from “pro sports from a gay men’s fandom angle” to all things LGBTQ++, including trans athletes. He joins the Dorx to argue for inclusion of male trans athletes in female categories. From chess to football, Zeigler believes every sport can and should be treated differently; that sex categories open up opportunities; and that both sides point to Title IX as the reason they’re right. Nina pushes back on safety; Corinna introduces the idea of locus of control; and everyone agrees more data is needed. Despite an unfortunate technical error that ends the game early (that’s what happens when your tech support is an alpaca), Zeigler remains sportsmanlike throughout.


Outsports: https://www.outsports.com/

Renee Richards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9e_Richards

Nancy Hogshead-Makar: https://championwomen.org/meet-nancy-hogshead-makar/

Colin Wright explains sex categories: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4WV9xv62f4&ab_channel=Genspect

rainbow hockey tape ban: https://www.outsports.com/2023/10/24/23930391/nhl-reverses-pride-tape-ban-players-gay-lgbtq/

Colin Kaepernick kneeling: https://apnews.com/article/f9bbe38b748072531b07713736409181

Megan Rapinoe kneeling: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2663982-megan-rapinoe-kneels-during-national-anthem-before-usa-vs-thailand

ICONS Women In Sports conference 2023: https://www.iconswomen.com/2023-international-womens-sports-summit/

Episode 128: Autoandrophilia with Aaron Terrell

After Nina welcomes self-described autoandrophile and pervert advocate Aaron “The Contraaron” Terrell with a deliberate misgendering, the two adult human females discuss male sexuality while actual male Corinna mostly bites his tongue. Topics include Terrell’s surprising shift from hetero- to homosexuality on exogenous testosterone, pretty privilege, internet porn, eating disorders, autogynephobia, fertility signals, sexual dimorphism, pseudo-attraction, political religion, autism, twitter kerfuffles, and enforcement of the purity of the word “lesbian.” Terrell not only has the most lesbian cred of the three (female with a female partner) but also the most testosterone! This episode offers more than enough to offend everyone.


Aaron on Twitter: https://twitter.com/elegationvain

I enjoy Being a Girl (an autogynephile anthem): https://youtu.be/LtQBrShqgls?si=G5-KicuUvKxmlEzf&t=42

Jamie Reed episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-126-mitigating-the-damage-with-jamie-reed/

Joe Burgo on Autogynephilia as Psychic Retreat: https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/sympathy-for-the-devil-autogynephilia

J Michael Bailey episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-53-autogynephilia-michael-bailey/

Transparency podcast: https://www.genderdysphoriaalliance.com/podcast

Episode 127: Taking Action with Ellen Daehnick

When Things need to get done, it’s people like Ellen Daehnick who do them. Daehnick recently retired from her high-powered career to become a full-time “Unpaid Gender Crank”, focusing on legislation. She describes her first time testifying to the Colorado state legislature against CO House Bill 1071, which welcomes felons to change their legal names as long as they claim a trans identity. More of this remarkable hearing, described as “bananas” by audio editor Lisa Jones, can be found here. We discuss how to prepare for effective testimony, why female politicians support policies that harm women, selective empathy, toxic femininity, class, chiggers, and appeals to emotion vs facts. “Deadnaming,” “misgendering” and “mentioning the criminal record of an individual” may be verboten in the Colorado Statehouse, but the real genocide is the friends we made along the way. 

Ellen Daehnick on twitter: https://twitter.com/edaehnick

Daehnick’s email: genderwatchco@gmail.com

Audio Recap of CO HB 24-1071 “The Felon Name-Change Bill” by Lisa Jones: https://www.thatlisajones.com/new-kinda-colorado-crazy/

Colorado House Bill 24-1071: https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1071

Christina Goeke kicked out of Colorado Statehouse: https://twitter.com/goeke_christina/status/1752490704020881694

Tiara/Duane Kelley: https://www.thepublica.com/transgender-drag-queen-who-inspired-bill-to-make-name-changes-easier-for-trans-felons-in-colorado-has-lengthy-criminal-record/

DIAG: Democrats for an Informed Approach to Gender: https://www.di-ag.org/

Corinna’s talk “Political Organizing in America” at Genspect Denver 2023: https://youtu.be/5VpOhM7PXco?si=gTOu9FtmarVgKLLF

Nina’s Quilt Suite: https://www.airbnb.com/h/quiltsuite

Illinois HB 4876: https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=4876&GAID=17&DocTypeID=HB&LegId=152735&SessionID=112&GA=103

Episode 126: Mitigating the Damage with Jamie Reed

Last year, case manager Jamie Reed blew the whistle on the gender clinic that had employed her for almost four years. Today, she faces an even more frightening challenge: being a guest on the Heterodorx podcast. Jamie’s impeccable lefty credentials never prepared her for Corinna’s relentless sarcasm, let alone what she witnessed in the medical system: clueless endocrinologists, children making lifelong decisions about their fertility, untreated eating disorders, ignored red flags, young patients entering sex work, TikTok tics, medical harms, repeated “never events,” and the medical abandonment of detransitioners. We also discuss the personal and professional costs borne by whistleblowers, double standards in the press, alpacas (again), and Corinna’s geriatric cat. Jamie reminds us, “we are all broken”; Corinna reminds us, “give your gay money to Jamie.”


Jamie on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JamieWhistle

“I Thought I was Saving Trans Kids. Now I’m Blowing the Whistle.” Jamie Reed’s Free Press story: https://www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith introduces new gender policies: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/danielle-smith-1.7101595

Washington State whistleblower Tamara Pietzke: https://www.thefp.com/p/i-was-fired-after-blowing-the-whistle


LGBT Courage Coalition: https://www.lgbtcourage.org/

LGBT Courage Coalition Substack substack: https://lgbtcouragecoalition.substack.com/

Guns Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond: https://www.amazon.com/Guns-Germs-Steel-Fates-Societies/dp/0393317552

Episode 125: TERF-Tranny Alliances with Eva Kurilova and Lois Cardinal

Canada is not merely America’s Hat; it’s also home to Eva Kurilova and Lois Cardinal, a TERF-Tranny duo rivaling the Heterodorx in both hardliner contempt and world domination. We discuss womanface, tribal identities, the sterilization of First Nations youth, aging, Feminized Eunuch Males (FEMs), Medical Assistance In Dying (MAID), do-it-yourself genocide, “tru trans”, matching costumes, coerced speech, pronouns, Tide suppositories, and dubious hygiene tips. Who is the fairest handmaiden/pet troon of them all? Listen and find out!


Eva Kurilova’s Substack: https://www.evakurilova.com/

Eva on twitter: https://twitter.com/eva_kurilova

Lois on twitter: https://twitter.com/duchess_elle

Reduxx: https://reduxx.info/author/evak/

The Distance: https://www.thedistancemag.com/

Gender Dissent: https://www.genderdissent.com/

Spinster: spinster.xyz

TERF-Tranny Alliance: https://www.heterodorx.com/terftrannyalliance/

Episode 124: Safeguarding, Lesbophobia, and DARVO

Corinna and Nina rant and complain about the current “Gender Critical” online discourse. What is a lesbian? Is Corinna gay, or homosexual? Is DARVO a floor wax, or a dessert topping? Although we perpetuate the problem by talking about it, by the end we propose a solution. You’ll hear lots of misgendering, talk of Nina’s sex-pozzie San Francisco days (again, sorry), and references to IQ points. You won’t hear our usual intro and outro, because Nina had to edit this one while Corinna left town and couldn’t send the files. 


“Stella O’Malley on Lesbians”: https://twitter.com/iseult/status/1756099230236573970

The Lesbian Heresy by Sheila Jeffreys: https://archive.org/details/lesbianheresyfem0000jeff

Sex is real, people are weird: https://www.heterodorx.com/terftrannyalliance/

Our die-in meme: https://twitter.com/ninapaley/status/1757068677910831464

Andrew Doyle: Reflections on the Online Mob: https://andrewdoyle.substack.com/p/reflections-on-the-online-mob

Nina tries to school a teacher about pronouns: https://twitter.com/ninapaley/status/1750896492930339257

Episode 123: Alpacne! with Jennifer Lahl

Filmmaker and former pediatric nurse Jennifer Lahl’s latest short documentary, The Lost Boys: Searching for Manhood, focuses on male detransitioners. We discuss film distribution, the festival circuit, crowdfunding, straight-to-online, subtitles (“How do you say ‘chopped off his penis’ in Spanish?”), the obsolescence of DVDs, Jennifer’s ex-boyfriend from her nursing school days, “trans healthcare”, the Crying Chicken Lady who says children should be driving, and Corinna’s search for teen alpacahood. Lahl alleges this is her last film (we don’t believe her) so watch it online for free right now.


The Center for Bioethics and Culture Network: https://cbc-network.org/

The Lost Boys: Searching for Manhood https://youtu.be/AaiicS2HXW4?si=3CKcnEQIovXsHlQm

The Detransition Diaries: Saving Our Sisters https://youtu.be/910JVOJSM2I?si=KE4_kz_a1iWc9EY3

Trans Mission: What’s the Rush to Reassign Gender? https://youtu.be/rUeqEoARKOA?si=zdPYT_4V-T-JF3e4

Jennifer Lahl on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JenniferLahl

Heterodorx’s Ray Alex Williams episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-121-unblinded-by-the-light-with-ray-alex-williams/

Episode 122: Welcome to the Gender Wars, Dr. Gary Francione!

After Corinna complains about an obnoxious and possibly libelous article in the Washington Post, the Dorx welcome legal scholar, philosopher, vegan, and animal rights activist Dr. Gary Francione. We discuss Equality Claims vs Belief Claims, old-school transsexuals, admitting you’re wrong, Andrea Dworkin, nonviolence, intersectionality, and the principles of a liberal pluralistic society. Can we police fetishes? Who’s Afraid of Kathleen Stock? Why are vegans extra crazy? Does Corinna really not want to be a Good Person? What is “harm”? Despite Corinna disparaging young people going vegan, and Nina swearing a lot about Crohn’s disease, Dr. Francione offers a banquet of (plant-based) food for thought.


Gary Francione’s website: https://www.abolitionistapproach.com/

Gary Francione’s essay on the Trans Rights Issue: https://www.abolitionistapproach.com/the-trans-rights-issue-equality-claims-and-belief-claims/

Julie Bindel: The Unforgivable Transing of Andrea Dworkin https://juliebindel.substack.com/p/the-unforgivable-transing-of-andrea

Why Veganism Matters: The Moral Value of Animals by Gary Francione https://cup.columbia.edu/book/why-veganism-matters/9780231199612

Nina’s Gender Wars playing cards: https://store.ninapaley.com/product/gender-wars-playing-cards/

How Do I Go Vegan https://www.howdoigovegan.com/

Nina and Corinna will be guests at the Unspeakeasy retreat in Louisville, KY April 9-10! It’s for women only, even though Corinna isn’t one! Sign up and ask what organizer/host Meghan Daum was thinking: https://www.theunspeakeasy.com/2024-unspeakeasy-retreats

Episode 121: Unblinded by the Light with Ray Alex Williams

For 8 years, Ray Alex Williams claimed to be a woman, zealously promoting transgender ideology, ingesting spirolactone and exogenous estrogen, doing “a lot of twitter activism,” and writing a book about trans philosophy. In May 2023 he socially and medically detransitioned, issuing public apologies shortly thereafter. How did “Rachel Anne Williams” — who just a few years ago was so “unhinged” he made Grace Lavery “readable” in comparison — become the lucid, humble, reality-based man we hear in this interview? Listen up, because his story is jam-packed with insights. 


Ray Alex Williams on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RayAlexWilliams/

Ray Alex Williams on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@RayAlexWilliams

Rachel Anne Williams takes on Kathleen Stock in 2019: https://www.peaktrans.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/ThreadReader_0_transphilosophr_1132859653006680064-1.pdf

Commentary on Rachel Anne Williams taking on Kathleen Stock in 2019: https://www.peaktrans.org/a-response-to-a-response-to-doing-better-in-arguments-about-sex-gender-and-trans-rights/#more-7728

Ray Alex Williams apologizes in 2023: https://twitter.com/RayAlexWilliams/status/1735629670618399092

Transgressive: A Trans Woman on Gender, Feminism, and Politics by Rachel Anne Williams (before detransitioning to Ray Alex Williams): https://www.amazon.com/Transgressive-Trans-Gender-Feminism-Politics/dp/1785926470

Cultish: The Language of Fanaticism by Amanda Montell https://www.harpercollins.com/products/cultish-amanda-montell

Rob Henderson on Luxury Beliefs: https://www.robkhenderson.com/p/status-symbols-and-the-struggle-for

Episode 120: Rosie Kay Believes in The Power of the Arts

Rosie Kay is a dancer, choreographer, “old-school feminist”, and co-founder of Freedom In The Arts in the UK. Both cancelled and resurrected, she’s also a fascinating and articulate speaker. She joined the Dorx back in November to talk about dance, brains, arts organizations, making controversial work, the “theater of dehumanization,” liberal values and their discontents, artificial intelligence, Choreography 101, pattern recognition, awkwardness, the decline of physical culture, disembodiment, COVID, dance vs. visual art, arts education, physical education, soldiering, tennis, walking, cycling, and the taboo of excellence. It took us a while to release this episode because at least one of us was paralyzed in a winter slough of despond, but it was worth the wait. 


Adult Female Dancer by Rosie Kay: https://youtu.be/1BJvbsnCEB8?si=sx7m3AyOo5REJTI7

Rosie Kay’s dance company K2Co: https://k-2co.com/

Freedom in the Arts: https://www.freedominthearts.com/