Episode 111: Taking The Weird Path with Saya Hillman

Back when this podcast had only 4 listeners, Debbie Hillman of foodfarmsdemocracy.net was one of them. Debbie passed away in March, after which Corinna discovered a 2014 tribute video by her daughter. An interesting character in her own right, Saya Hillman joins the Dorx to talk about her mom, our moms, moms in general, dads, families, estrangement, growing up weird, adulting, fun, entrepreneurship, cleaning, pocket knives, making friends as an adult, silver linings, excess backups, old age, death, and living a fearless life. Learn about a fascinating daughter, a fascinating mother, and, most importantly, that dishwashers have filters that need to be cleaned.


Saya Hillman reads “If Only My Name Was Alexis”: https://youtu.be/oxijkP9tpAU?si=zHOFkad9yeVABcxS

Mac and Cheese Productions: https://macncheeseproductions.com/

Debbie Hillman’s twitter account: https://twitter.com/DLHillman

Seder-Masochism (featuring Nina’s Dad): https://sedermasochism.com/download/

Does Sex Matter? Gender Identity vs Material Reality, our 2019 panel talk Debbie attended (we think): https://youtu.be/RguD61siLB8?si=4LpIn_zENirTxb49

Episode 110: Listener Questions!

Corinna and Nina answer your important questions, such as: what is a feminist? Should we be cheerful instead of angry? Who cuts our hair? Boxers or briefs? Is “cis” a slur? We also discuss the TERF-Tranny spectrum; our origins in a state fair livestock exhibit; the social benefits of taboos; Republicans’ ability to eff up a sure thing; how social contagions are a force of nature; The Law of Conservation of Evil; iatrogenic infantilization; masculinized women; how 2nd-Wave Feminism is like broccoli; and Corinna’s plans to start microdosing testosterone. It’s truly a broad-ranging conversation, as we cover more territory than a costumed llama!


Anger is like Rocket Fuel: https://mimiandeunice.com/2010/07/29/rocket-fuel/

Maybe One by Bill McKibben: https://billmckibben.com/maybe-one.html

Twitter poll: Makeup or Hijab?: https://twitter.com/ninapaley/status/1691882332871885285

Beauty and Misogyny by Sheila Jeffreys: https://www.feministes-radicales.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Jeffreys_Beauty_and_Misogyny_Harmful_Cultural_Practices_in_the_West__Women_and_Psychology_1.pdf

Episode 109: Left Wing Heresy with Lisa Selin Davis

Prolific writer, researcher, thinker, and close personal friend of the Dorx Lisa Selin Davis is an old-school Leftist who developed an “exciting new interest in reality,” subsequently putting her on the wrong side of many a Brooklyn dinner party. We ask: What does it mean to be on the Left? What is Feminism? Do Gender Critics engage in “hugboxing”? How does one remain curious and empathetic while talking to ignorant a-holes? Do Conservative women give fewer effs? Is Corinna wearing “woman-pit”? What is Lisa’s next book about? It’s a party in the rabbit hole as 3 disagreeable friends agree on just about everything.



Skokie (film): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skokie_(film)

BROADview: https://lisaselindavis.substack.com/

Lisa on Twitter: https://twitter.com/LisaSelinDavis

GENDER WARS Playing Cards: https://store.ninapaley.com/product/gender-wars-playing-cards/

Episode 108: Heather Brunskell-Evans is (a) TERF*

The delightful and accomplished Dr Heather Brunskell-Evans joins the Dorx on short notice, first to talk about her work with Women’s Declaration International and Transgender Trend, then about her exhaustion with all manner of ideological nonsense, be it from trans rights activists or her “sisters” on the left. Purity spirals, tribal instincts, toxic agreeableness, Munchausen’s mums, disappointments, growing up female, Satan, misogyny, losing faith, and more keep her dancing between fed-up boredom and fierce determination. She may be Tired, but she will keep Explaining Reality until the F***wits listen up!

*TERF: Tired of Explaining Reality to F***wits


Dr. Heather Brunskell-Evans: https://www.transgendertrend.com/dr-heather-brunskell-evans/

Women’s Declaration International: https://www.womensdeclaration.com/en/about/

Transgender Trend: https://www.transgendertrend.com/

Keira Bell case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_v_Tavistock

Pride flags on UK hospitals: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/05/giant-pride-flag-painted-on-hospital-criticised/

Apocalypse Animated: https://apocalypseanimated.com/

Episode 107: How the Internet Lost its Backbone, with Joshua Moon

In 1993 John Gilmore famously said, “The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.” To learn why that’s no longer true, listen to Josh Moon enumerate “the amount of things that have broken that people in the industry assumed could never break,” as activists with personal vendettas and political agendas relentlessly employ every possible strategy to silence his small but notorious gossip site Kiwi Farms. From Cloudflare to Hurricane Electric, ISPs, data centers, and payment processors, literally anything up and down the Border Gateway Protocol has been targeted to shut down the ‘Farms. With ISIS, the KKK, Stormfront, neo-nazis, and child porn all continuing to enjoy online services, who expected “the gossip site that makes fun of troons” to be the straw to break the Internet’s backbone? And why have the individuals and organizations who once stood against censorship lost their own?


Brave browser: https://brave.com/

Tor browser: https://www.torproject.org/download/

Keffals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keffals

The World Should Not Need Kiwi Farms by Corinna Cohn: https://corinnacohn.substack.com/p/the-world-should-not-need-kiwi-farms

Liz Fong Jones calls Corinna a “Kiwi Farms operative”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np9erdnM4l8&t=3074s&ab_channel=LizFong-Jones

Border Gateway Protocol (BGP): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Gateway_Protocol

Electronic Frontier Foundation: https://www.eff.org/

Internet Archive: https://archive.org/

Copyright’s origins in censorship: https://questioncopyright.org/promise

FIRE: https://www.thefire.org/


Episode 106: Corinna and Nina talk ICONS

The Dorx do a quick review of the 2023 ICONS International Women’s Sports Summit in Denver, among whose speakers were many former Heterodorx guests like Carole HoovenColin WrightHelen JoyceKara Dansky, and Kim Jones; plus Suzanne VierlingDina McMillanRiley GainesJennifer Sey, and countless other badass women, including tall otherworldly young athletes, elder Olympic champions, lawyers, writers, policy-makers, conservatives, liberals, and spectral beings. There were even some men, like Jon Pike⁠⁠Ross Tucker⁠, Corinna, and at least one cute security guy. The theme was WINNING, and we’re going to, just like Nina wins an argument with Corinna about whether the elite professional-managerial class constitutes an “orthodoxy.” It is what’s best in life!


ICONS website (currently featuring videos from the 3-day Summit): https://www.iconswomen.com/

GENDER WARS Playing Cards: https://store.ninapaley.com/product/gender-wars-playing-cards/

N.W.H.: F*ck the Security Guards: https://youtu.be/6LjW6j56ZgI

Elaine Miller at the Edinburgh Fringe: https://twitter.com/GussieGrips/status/1684893485902565378

Donate via Nina’s blog (upper right hand corner): https://blog.ninapaley.com/

Episode 105: Pediatric Disenchantment with Julia Mason, MD

Julia Mason is a practicing pediatrician, a Fellow of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), and a founding member of the Society for Evidence Based Gender Medicine (SEGM). A politically homeless, feline-affirming, bleeding-heart liberal who wants to pause pediatric transition, Mason raises grave concerns about the “affirmation model” which locks in adolescent identities at a time kids cycle through them as part of growing up. We learn the AAP actively suppresses internal dissent while profiting from corporate endorsements; that there are no empirical criteria for identifying which kids are “actually” trans; that small children believe whatever adults – especially their parents – tell them; and that Corinna is drinking a lot of electrolytes.


Wheaton Labs: https://wheaton-labs.com/

Julia Mason on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JuliaMasonMD1

SEGM, the Society for Evidence Based Gender Medicine https://segm.org/

Reconsidering Informed Consent: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35300570/

The Myth of “Reliable Research”: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36593754/

Gender doctor praises Leelah Alcorn “boldly” committing suicide: https://www.thedistancemag.com/p/leader-of-alabama-gender-clinic-praises

Episode 104: To Speak or Not to Speak? with Olivia

Olivia works on the front lines of America’s public education system, teaching in the Pacific Northwest. So dangerous is her line of work that she’s choosing to remain semi-anonymous — for now. What will it take for her, and others witnessing State-ordered genderist indoctrination of children, to say something? Corinna gently reminds that we have to be able to say some things are wrong, while Nina says this may be everyone’s last chance to speak out before it’s “cool” (and then passé). Olivia explains how teachers are in a bind, and unless the spiral of silence gets broken, public schools face an even bleaker future.


Genspect: https://genspect.org/

Gender A Wider Lens podcast: https://gender-a-wider-lens.captivate.fm/

The Milgram Experiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Rona Duwe, German feminist: https://substack.com/@ronaduwe

Gender Wars cards (are they appropriate in the classroom?): https://www.heterodorx.com/gender-wars-cards/

FAIR Educators Alliance: https://www.fairforall.org/fair-educators-alliance/

Angus Fox: https://genspect.org/author/angusfox/

FIRE: https://www.thefire.org/

WDI: https://www.womensdeclaration.com/en/

Episode 103: Doin’ the 12-Step with Ben Appel

Returning sexy guest Ben Appel recently wrote about genderism and other political ideologies infiltrating Alcoholics Anonymous, despite its 10th Tradition prohibiting alignment with outside issues. But what is a “Tradition” anyway? Ben and Nina possibly violate the 11th one (“always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films”) in an attempt to describe the wacky, brilliant, not-really-a-cult-except-sometimes, life-changing, spiritual, occasionally smelly world of 12-Step recovery programs. Corinna learns the difference between AA and Al-Anon; Nina wishes she believed in god and says “irrational problems demand irrational solutions”; and Ben talks about compulsive praying and his upcoming book, “Cis White Gay,” along with a ton of other interesting topics. Another great episode! Keep coming back!

Episode 102: Gender of Champions with Kim Jones

Kim Jones is co-founder of ICONS, the International Council On WomeN’s Sports. A former college athlete whose daughter had to compete against Lia Thomas, Jones intelligently and passionately articulates why “sports are the public arena of the difference of the sexes,” and how gaslighting  girls in the spotlight sends a harrowing message to all women. We also discuss the inversion of the word “inclusion,” the slipperiness of the word “gender,” men undressing next to strange girls, the importance of speaking your mind, Corinna’s fanciful claims of doing Nina’s yard work, Title IX, women who advocate male dominance, and more.

ICONS Women’s Sports Summit, Denver July 21-23 (the Dorx will be there!): https://www.iconswomen.com/2023-conference-registration/